Robert Suriya [Naomi n Boys] Chats With Andy

''I've always admired Bob with his song-writing skills.'' [Andy].

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Chatting with Robert Suriya in Guam brought about this story of how a famous Singapore band made it, with memories to savour... Most of us know the Naomi and the Boys story but we just wanted to hear it again, this time from the man himself.

Encore and thanks Robert.

Hi Andy,

Naomi and the Boys were actually formed in 1960 and the original members were Peter Richards [Keyboard], Henry Richards [Bass], and Joe Ahmad [Drums] with myself on lead guitar.  We toured East Malaysia, Kuching, Miri and some other islands. Naomi did not go but The Boys toured. We had completed our first EP with Naomi in Singapore before we left for Malaysia in 1963.

 

After being contacted by Mr. Lee H. King [AR Manager of Philips Records] to record our next EP, It's All Over and since it was a big  hit for us, I needed to make a change in the music we were doing. So I reformed the group, with a newer feel to suit Naomi's voice and style.

I reformed the group with Naomi, Robert Suriya,  Moses Tay, Alphonso Soosay and Peter Thomas. This is when, Happy Happy Birthday Baby, hit number one on the Malaysian Charts followed by another one of my compositions, I Know. 

Vinyl record covers of the Extended Plays [EPs] 

by Robert Suriya's top of the pop Singapore group.

Naomi had many hits. It's not that she is my sister that we did the recordings but it is because she had a tremendous feel in the songs. We rehearsed at my home at 14 Lim Ah Pin Road in Singapore. It was also great to play and write for my brother Henry Suriya who had some hits too.

So the years went by, as quickly as a wink...

Then 1969 came around. Some of the members started showing interest with other plans. I felt really bad and like most bands it happened. Like the Beatles and the Shadows and many more. But the band lasted for a while. So we did an LP, The Best of Naomi and the Boys. It contained fourteen songs.

In 1970 I did a recording with Naomi on the Polydor Label. The four songs which I wrote showed the real Best of Naomi, The Life I Wanna Lead, Today, He's Mine and I Call Your Name. The musicians had Quests percussionist, Lim Wee Guan on drums and flute, Steve Bala on electric bass and I did the rest, the Leslie organ, the piano, the guitars, acoustics and the electronics.

With Hank Marvin, lead guitarist 

from The Shadows. 

The beauty about music is that it lives in your system. I still write new songs but just *Christian songs and other pop ones. I play and sing for the prisoners in Guam, USA. These people have made the big mistake in life.

The way I feel is in the title by Naomi and the Boys, So Sad To See Good Love Go Bad. A beautiful memory I cherish.

I thank God for the blessings in music.

Kind Regards,

Bob Wickeremasuriya [Robert Suriya].

This posting is in memory of Fumiko Suzuki.

Andy,

My late wife Fumiko Suzuki Wickeremasuriya  [3-7-1942 till 2-4-2019].  We were married in Tokyo, Japan on 6th December, 1976. We had two children, Carla and Carl. She was a wonderful wife and mother and was with me for four years before we got married in Japanese tradition. We were together for 39 years afterwards. I miss her.

Connect to similar topics.

https://singapore60smusic.blogspot.com/2010/05/when-naomi-and-boys-recorded-for-decca.html

https://singapore60smusic.blogspot.com/2012/05/rock-your-socks-off-says-rhythmist.html

Robert Suriya [right] plays the sitar, 

a Ravi Shankar phenomenon.

Those years smoking was a craze,

nobody really bothered.

NAOMI N THE BOYS

AS LIFE GOES ON

Lim Wee Guan, from Quests

joined Robert for an EP.

Three bands in unison, Alfonso Soosay [The Boys], 

Jerry Fernandez [Neu Faces], Robert Suriya [Boys], 

Audie Ng, Andy [Silver Strings] in 2012.

Images are most from Robert Suriya and 

Alfonso Soosay's private collection. 

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Pirates, Bootleg, Fake: What's Genuine And What's Not? Help!

1910 Fruit Gum Company. 

Simple Simon Says, 

Video by Ken Schilling.

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Records @ Two Dollars Each:

When Sungei Road was at its peak not too many years ago I would visit the unique place at least once a month to buy old vinyl records from a guy called George. A tough, fierce looking man with thick, long wavy locks George would be selling both LP's (Long Play records) and EP's (Extended Play records) at two dollars a piece. Whether they had torn covers, new covers, scratched and dirty surfaces or shiny and clean ones don't matter. They all cost two Singapore dollars each.  

In his collection you can find an array of English songs, Chinese songs, Indian songs and the collectors' Malay EPs available. Whatever you need and if you are lucky enough you may get them. I would sit on a stool and choose the records I wanted. 

Amidst the deluge of piring hitam (Malay language: black plates) I realised they were a bargain. At first I would look for the genuine pressings but later found that the pirated ones were more interesting and unusual. With their pimples, sores and imperfections, I fancy they could be collectors items soon. So here you are looking at only a few from my collection which I started in 2010.

Unless both records and covers are in your hands it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between an original copy and a pirated version. Let's have some fun.

Record Sleeve Image 1 and 2:

It is obvious which record above is the genuine one i.e. the real McCoy and which is the pirated version.  The first record cover is from Buddha Records while the second one is from a local syndicate called Oscar Record.

The clarity of print, quality graphics and professional artwork show the way to a beautiful illustration that befits a record sleeve. These attributes the reader will notice in the first picture.

In the second picture, the give-aways include the wrongly spelt, Congratulation, different print colour to indicate the group's original song and three songs that are not by the bubblegum band. Poor design and cheap printing was the order of the day. Worse, the vinyls themselves are of poorer quality, thick and easily scratched. 

In case the reader is not from the same generation, A Man Without Love and Call On Me are by singer Engelbert Humperdinck,  and Congratulations sung by Cliff Richard. Only Simon Says is by the group 1910 Fruitgum Company. 

Record Sleeve Image 3 and 4:

This second pair is not too obvious, or is it? The RCA logo could never be a fake but the R Record might. It is doubtful if pirates would dare to gamble and use the famous trademark when they can produce their own. So which is the real thing? Strange but true, the first sleeve is the pirated version.

Yes, this time around could you guess the truth i.e. which is the diamond and which is the cut-glass?  Look carefully. Why would the pirates want to sketch the faces when they can get the real photographs for free.

And, by the way, one of the above E.P. has these songs in place, Theme From The Monkees; Let's Dance On; Last Train To Clarksville and This Just Doesn't Seem To Be My Day. They are all Monkees hits. So there!

Record Sleeve Image 5 and 6:

Pirated vinyls were common in Singapore in the 1960's when recording studios were fully utilized to press all kinds of songs that were at the top of the pop parade. As long as they made their money, nothing else mattered. 

These pirated records were massed produced by the thousands. I remember Henry Suriya (brother of Robert Suriya from Naomi and The Boys) telling me once that when his fans came up to him to ask for autographs they were handing pirated copies of his records, not the original ones. But he signed them. 

They were popular because the buyer got four top hits of the season on one disc for the same price of an original EP, which would probably have one hit. Surprisingly, according to local recording artistes from the 60's, these copies flooded the market earlier than the originals. 

The 6th image above shows four hit songs one one vinyl disc for about S$2.80 cents. There's Elton John with Your Song, Too Young To Be Married (Hollies), She's A Lady (Tom Jones) and Rose Garden (Lynn Anderson).  Buying them on singles would cost about S$1.80 per piece with an unknown B-Side. Four songs would cost nearly $8.00. 

The 7th image above is another pirated record of Cliff Richard (poor Mr Richard who was so popular in the 60's, had himself recorded so many times by pirates that they are richer than him!) There are only three songs on this Apache fly-by -night trade mark together with Cliff's number Flying Machine. The other two songs include Soldier's Prayer (Oscar Harris) and Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep (Middle of the Road). The sleeve cover is just a sheet of writing paper, easily crumpled.

BTW George is still at Sungei Road and if you haven't been there lately, *Robinson Petang (Robinson's In The Evening) occupies a much smaller area now.  But he hardly sells records anymore. 

*Sungei Road is also called Thieves' Market. It used to be a tourist attraction but many people from other countries still come today to buy up both Asian and local records.

Images: A Private Collection.

Stringing Along With "The Boys" Night Out

Jerry Fernandez, Robert Suriya and Alphonso Soosay are the best of friends and have been keeping in touch.  The last time Audie Ng met Robert was in 1972 in Japan. And so the friendly get-together went. Jerry from the Neu Faces, Audie and Andy, both from the 'Silver Strings' met Robert and Alphonso from 'Naomi and The Boys' fame.

Jerry hosted the delicious dinner buffet they had at a hotel in town. Chatting through last night they said their goodbyes near eleven in the evening. One for the photo-album or iPhone pix.

Image from left: 
Alphonso Soosay, Jerry Fernandez, Robert Suriya, Audie Ng, Andy.

Song Programme - Silver Strings Concert 2010

As requested by Steven Farram, (Comment: Aug 10, 2010 7:40 am) the programme of songs on the 7th August, 2010 held at the Esplanade, Singapore.

The Silver Strings (Instrumental):

1. FBI

2. Kontiki

Andy (Vocals):

1. Diana

2. Outsider

3. Fireball XL5

4. Singin' The Blues

5. Red River Rock

6. Mean Woman Blues

Mokhtar (Vocals/Drummer):

1. Wonderful World

Bobo (Vocals/Lead/Rhythm Guitar):

1. Can't Help Falling In Love (Raggae)

Henry Suriya (Vocals):

1. Happy Happy Birthday Baby

2. Love Is A Golden Ring

3. Great Pretender

Finale (Vocals/The Silver Strings):

1. Hey Jude

Image: http://www.sophistgames.com/home/?currentPage=3

The Silver Strings, Mysterians Play 60s Songs

Silver Strings accompanying Henry Suriya: Outdoor Theatre Esplanade: 7 Aug 2010

Image above: Mysterians entertaining the crowd on the same evening.
Image: Lim Kuan Min Collection.

Esplanade Outdoor Theatre: 7th August 2010 With 'The Silver Strings' & 'The Mysterians'

CELEBRATE SINGAPORE'S 45 BIRTHDAY
2 Days B4 National Day Parade 2010

Sat: A Journey Through Local Music
RE- LIVE THE SOUNDS OF THE 60s:

The Mysterians will perform their hits while 60s crooners Henry Suriya and Andy will reunite with The Silver Strings.

Top off the evening in a sing-along with The Mysterians when they play familiar favourites!

7.30pm – 8.15pm The Mysterians.

8.45pm – 9.45pm The Silver Strings with Andy Young n Henry Suriya.

10.15pm – 11.00pm The Mysterians.

Hosted by: Brian Richmond.

Information:
http://www.esplanade.com.sg/whats_on/programme_info/a_journey_through_local_music1/index.jsp
Image: http://www.ndp.org.sg/

Indie-pendence Day - Singapore Birthday Bash

6 Aug 2010, Fri

It’s indie-pendence day as we open the celebrations for the birthday bash at the Outdoor Theatre. Get your fix of great music from some of the most celebrated Singapore bands today.

7.30 – 8.15pm A Vacant Affair
8.45 – 9.30pm B-Quartet
10 – 10.45pm
The Great Spy Experiment

7 Aug 2010, Sat

Relive the sounds of the 60s to 80s!

The Mysterians will perform their hits such as Please Don’t Tease, while 60s heart-throb crooners Henry Suriya and Andy will reunite with the Silver Strings. Top off the evening in a Sing-along with The Mysterians when they play familiar favourites!

Hosted by Brian Richmond.
7.30 – 8.15pm The Mysterians
8.45 – 9.45pm  Andy n Silver Strings with Henry Suriya
10.15 – 11pm The Mysterians

8 Aug 2010, Sun

Melissa Fitzgerald – daughter of Thunderbirds front-man Derek – gives new life to the band’s top hits. The talented Vadham family reunites with Moses, performing Gingerbread classic Roses, Regina delivering good ol’ country tunes and the siblings singing Sausalito in tribute to the late Chris Vadham of Western Union Band.

Terry Mortimer of Tony & Terry, and Peter Diaz of The Surfers, will bring you memorable rock and roll hits.

Hosted by Brian Richmond.

7.30 – 8.15pm Melissa Fitzgerald
8.45 – 9.45pm The Vadhams
10.15 – 11pm Terry Mortimer & Peter Diaz

Images/Information: artitude-u-art.blogspot.com/2010/01/esplanade...

http://www.esplanade.com/whats_on/programme_info/a_journey_through_local_music1/index.jsp

Menyusuri Perjalanan Muzik Tempatan Ogos 2010 Dengan 'Silver Strings' Dan 'Mysterians'

HARI KEBANGSAAN SINGAPURA 2010

"Sepanjang empat hari, cerita kita akan dsampaikan melalui muzik dan puisi seniman tanahair. Menampilkan lagu-lagu kegemaran Singapura hingga ke gabungan etnik kontemporari dan puisi, buat seis keluarga.

Berhiburlah dengan lagu-lagu hebat dendangan kugiran-kugiran indie Singapura masakini. Hidupkan kembali muzik 60an hingga 80an! The Mysterians bakal membawakan lagu-lagu hits mereka sementara penyayi pujaan Henry Suriya dan Andy Young akan bergabung dengan The Silver Strings.

Akhirnya malam anda dengan nyanyian bersama dalam rangkaian lagu-lagu kegemaran ramai oleh The Mysterians. Persembahan ini diacarakan oleh Brian Richmond dari Media-Corps Class 90.5FM, Singapura."

Informasi: Esplanade Presents Programme

Imej: www.esplanade.com/

Naomi And Robert Suriya Originals - Long Play

When Naomi and The Boys did an LP collection of their favourites, they called it: The Best of Naomi. Done at Decca MacDonald House, Singapore. Good selection, with clarity and an interpretive sensitivity that only Naomi could carry.

The back sleeve extols the group with a short write-up (edited). "Talent is a very desirable quality and no artiste can hope to get anywhere without possessing a bare minimum. But to get right up to the top, you need individuality - a distinctive sound and style which enables the listener to identify you at once.

On this Decca LP album Naomi and The Boys present 14 great examples of talent, individuality and unique artistry. Each one is an outstanding performance. Naomi sings with her usual sincerity backed by her inimitable Boys. Splendid entertainment."

The line up includes Robert Suriya on lead guitar/glockenspiel, Peter Thomas on bass/rhythm, Moses Tay on organ/piano, with Alphonso Soosay on drums/percussion. According to Henry Suriya, brother to Naomi and Robert, only Tay reads music, so he documents the arrangements for the group.

                           Making Believe by Naomi and the Boys - video by cuckoo bird.

Of the 14 songs, 8 are originals by Suriya, Till The End Of Our Time, I Love You, I Know, I Won't Miss You, The Time Has Come, Get You Outa My Mind, If You Change Your Mind and It's All Over.

The rest of the songs are interpretations of Paul Simon's Sound Of Silence, The Everly's So Sad, Frazier's There Goes My Everything, the well-known Schertzinger/Mercer song, I Remember You, Otis/Benton/Hendricks, Looking Back and the song that made this group famous, Happy, Happy Birthday Baby by Sylvia/Lopez.

Good friend Henry Suriya let me have his only copy of this album. Old St. Andrew's School boys...

His take on the album soon!

Image/Original article: Andy Lim Collection.Monday, February 01, 2010

'Unforgettable': Cheryl's Tribute To Her Dad Moses Tay, Bassist For 'Naomi And The Boys'

Naomi & Boys - Singapore 60s Christmas Card

ANDY'S CHIT-CHAT WITH SINGAPORE 60S ARTISTES:

Another coincidence. I managed to get a copy of Naomi & The Boys' Christmas EP only a few days ago. According to the group's 1995 write-up by Eric Yeo, Managing Director of Polygram Singapore/Malaysia, "Many people might not know they were the first local group (in Singapore) to record a Christmas EP."

Henry Suriya (image) acknowledged this piece of information and further explained that brother Robert's original, My First Chrismas Without Daddy was written as a tribute to their father who passed away at a young age of 44.

The poignant rendition by Henry's sister Naomi moved members of the recording staff so much during this particular pressing that they cried openly.

Silver Bells rang the cash registers and Mary's Boy Child together with An Old Chrismas Card made this EP another hit for NATB. It was definitely with dad's blessing.

Henry Suriya hasn't retired from singing and we hope to get together soon for another stage performance. He grows orchids in the front porch of his apartment and has quite a collection.

When I last visited him Henry showed me his records and posters that he has collected during his many years with The Boys.  Our lunch was at the Serangoon Garden Food Centre. Simple living for two simple people.

Original article: Andy Lim n Henry Suriya Collection.

(C) Pop-Star Idolatry - Angry Fans Too?

SINGAPORE IDOLS IN THE 60s:

Most times Singapore 60s idols, like Rita, Sakura or Lara (image), get bouquets but sometimes a few get brickbats. Even the most popular of singers or bands get negative remarks thrown at them while others get boos from an unpleasant group in the audience. At its worst, the really unlucky ones would get tiny missiles in their paths.

*"I was scared stiff and shivering. He wanted me to do a folk song called Scarlet Ribbons. When I performed that song in Chin Hoo Stadium in Kuala Lumpur, I had a stone thrown at me. It did not hit me but it hit my guitar."

*"I was nervous, scared and I wanted to pack up and go. No way was I going to perform to people who boo and throw stones... When I went up to Penang, I faced a more matured audience. I went down quite well with the audience and this made up for my disappointment."

It's similar all over the world and part of pop-star idolatry. Impersonator or otherwise, there's bound to be someone out in the audience who doesn't like the celebrity's face, his singing or his personality. And of course there are some who are just envious of his popularity.

*(The above was an interview with Henry Suriya of Naomi and the Boys, 3 August 1995 for a research by Lily Kong on, The Invention of Heritage: Popular Music In Singapore.)

Image from left: Lara Tan, Rita Chao, Sakura Teng.

Original article: Andy Lim Collection.

Also check posting: June 21st, 2009.

(4) The Trailers With Henry - Copyright Laws

"Even to this day, the protection of artistes' work continues to be an arduous task. I wonder how many local artistes know what is copyright. Why is copyright important? How long does copyright exist to cover the artistes' works? My personal view is: Anyone who takes another's musical works without the permission or compensation has infringed copyright laws.

Although I contributed so little, I am honoured and proud to be part of Singapore's pop history. The places visited; the many friends I've made will be things, "I'll remember and treasure all my life." Henry Suriya.

This article is the final part in the series.

Image/Article: The Trailers and friends. Henry Suriya Collection. All Rights Reserved.

(3) 60s Music Decline - Money Piracy Culture

"The boom in the local recording industry created an avenue for "pirates' to thrive. Recordings of popular artistes were found evrywhere on many different labels. There were times pirated copies could be found in shops even before the originals hit the market. Unbelievable, frustrating and sad, yet nothing could be done.



Henry Suriya

At that time, both Malaysia and Singapore were not protected by copyright laws. Privacy was rampant in some Asian countries. A huge portion of the artistes' earnings were take away by these crooks.

The 'down syndrome' started to take place, beginning with fewer stage shows and followed by the disappearance of shops that sold musical instruments. Jobs were lost. Tea-dances were banned as pop music was regarded as 'yellow culture'. The music scene slowly but surely slipped into slumberland."

Many of our local artistes were echoing the 1964 hit song by the Animals - We Gotta Get Out Of This Place. Some of them did just that and (while some got out of the industry), others moved out of Singapore."

Henry is brother to Naomi and Robert (singer/composer) of the Naomi & The Boys fame. FYI: This family has 12 of their songs on the 100 Greatest Singapore 60s Definitive Collection that was recently released.

Image/Article: 3rd part of a series by Henry Suriya.
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(2) Singapore 60s Musicians For Charity Shows

"An entertainer's life in the 60s did not evolve around the music alone, many were also involved in community service - a fact not many people are aware of. Top performers very often were called upon to help in fund-raising events for various charities in Malaysia and Singapore. They did this willingly and seldom were paid.

Recording technology was inferior then. Good recording and sound engineers were few. As a result many groups produced their own music through trial and error. Yet, some of the best local recordings were done in the 60s. This also inspired some to become good record producers."

(2nd part in a series of 4 articles by Henry Suriya.)

Article/Image from: Henry Suriya Collection - All Rights Reserved.

(1) Henry Suriya Singapore 60s Artiste Recalls:

Local music was at its peak during the 60s, it was a period which also saw the beginning of some good song writers and record producers.

The 60s was a vibrant period for Singapore's music industry. Everyone became a part of the music scene - those who liked to dance, those who loved and bought our vinyl records, the radio stations that played our music - without them no singers and bands could continue. Their support for the locals artistes was the greatest compliment any artiste could ever want.

To many of us, music was just a hobby. We could never make a living from music. The highest one could achieve is to make a record and get some publicity in the media.

(1st part of a series where HENRY SURIYA, recording artiste, provides an overview of Singapore's vibrant music scene during the 60s .)
Image: www.wesdooley.com

90.5FM DJ Brian Richmond with Henry Suriya

Brian Richmond and Henry Suriya (image) are well known personalities in our local 60s music scene. Richmond hosts the 90.5 fm Gold Classic radio broadcast, Nites With Brian and Vintage Sundays on MediaCorp Station. He will one of the hosts for Eurasiana, a musical tribute, on 26/27 June, 2009 at the Esplanade Concert Hall.

Henry Suriya (check older posting), is a well-known crooner and has recorded many songs during the 60s with his brother Robert and The Boys. Two of his songs are included in The Definite Collection. Brian Richmond has a part in the promotion of this box set.

Image: Henry Suriya Collection.
(1st posting on MCs, comperes, radio personalities from 60s).

Naomi & The Boys - 50 Songs For 60s Music

Henry, Robert and Naomi are part of the famed Suriya family that had engulfed Singapore 60s music. While Henry recorded his music solo, Robert and Naomi recorded as a group called, "Naomi and The Boys".

But they don't really need an introduction because the songs, "It's All Over" (image), and "I Know" both originals, were right at the top of the Singapore and Malaysian Hit Parade Charts then. Besides, Naomi's, "Happy Birthday Baby," was more popular than other cover versions.

Robert Suriya, singer, songwriter and lead guitar with The Boys had Peter Thomas on rhythm, Moses Tay on bass and Alphonso Soosay on percussion. This final re-grouping of passionate musicians went on to produce and record about 50 songs altogether.

While on the hunt for Singapore 60s vinyls, I managed to buy a few of their records, but all of them are bootleg copies. The copyright laws were not in place in Singapore during the 60s and had affected people in the music industry significantly.

More about Henry, Robert, Naomi and The Boys in future postings.

Robert Suriya Compositions: "I'll Always Love You", "That's All I Have To Say".

After his first successful recording, Henry Suriya recorded the second EP in 1967 and featured four songs including two originals by Robert Suriya.

Henry Suriya: From Boxing Ring To Golden Ring

Before Henry Suriya (image) became the pop crooner during Singapore 60s, not many fans knew he was a boxer. According to the newspapers then, he was an "amateur boxing champion who gave up trading punches for singing.

Henry Suriya had won many prizes in singing competitions but was also an expert at swinging competitions as he was feather-weight champ in the Singapore Youth Boxing Championships in 1957.

His father, who was also a boxer, urged Henry to give up the game and as an inducement presented Henry with a guitar on his 18th birthday. Henry never looked back, learnt to play the guitar and started singing sentimental songs.

During an interview with Henry, an old schoolmate, he wanted to emphasise that he only sings in his own original style. We all know that Henry. We have been listening to your songs for a long time now.

More about Henry Suriya in future postings.

(Interview by: Andy Lim. All Rights Reserved.)

Image: lst recording in 1966, accompanied by his brother Robert Suriya and The Boys.

                                                       Video by: Billy Ong

Singpore Music Scene Disappeared in 70's

JOY asks: "I wasn't part of the scene but what I'd like to know is... why did it suddenly disappeared?"

(1) It probably disappeared because of the Singapore Government's clampdown on drugs in the early 70s, which was at that time associated with rock music and western depravity. It was called, "Yellow Culture."

(2) According to some 60s Singapore artistes that Andy has interviewed, it also disappeared because of the extreme record-piracy then. Much money was lost because pirated records were being sold on the open market.

(3) Henry Suriya, a 60s crooner and elder brother to Naomi and Robert (The Boys), remembers that when his fans pushed him his EP records to be signed, he noticed that they were mostly pirated copies. 

He smiled and signed them all but it was an unpleasant experience to see only bootleg versions of his own records. Imagine the amount of revenue/royalties the local artistes would have lost. Ironically, the pirates who made copies of these records benefited.

(4) Unpleasant conflicts in some of the 60s nightspots led to physical abuse and fights. There were also unruly elements at the nightclubs and dance venues. As these incidents increased, these places were closed down.

Images: Google.